Presiding Bishop, others begin campaign to ‘reclaim Jesus’ in US culture

By Episcopal News Service staff
Posted Mar 22, 2018

[Episcopal News Service] A group of Protestant and Roman Catholic leaders, including Episcopal Church Presiding Bishop Michael Curry, have begun what they call a campaign to “reclaim Jesus” from those who they believe are using Christian theology for political gain.

“We are living through perilous and polarizing times as a nation, with a dangerous crisis of moral and political leadership at the highest levels of our government and in our churches,” say the 23 signers of the statement. “We believe the soul of the nation and the integrity of faith are now at stake.”

The group says the church’s role is to change the world through the life and love of Jesus Christ, while the government should serve the common good by protecting justice and peace, rewarding good behavior while restraining bad behavior. “When that role is undermined by political leadership, faith leaders must stand up and speak out,” the signers say, citing the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. who said the church is the conscience of the state, not its master or its servant.

“Reclaiming Jesus: A Confession of Faith in a Time of Crisis” offers six “affirmations” of what the group, currently 23 strong, believes, “and the resulting rejections of practices and policies by political leaders which dangerously corrode the soul of the nation and deeply threaten the public integrity of our faith.

“We pray that we, as followers of Jesus, will find the depth of faith to match the danger of our political crisis.”

In summary, the signers, in their the affirmations and rejections, said they believe:

  • Each human being is made in God’s image and likeness, and therefore, “we reject the resurgence of white nationalism and racism in our nation on many fronts, including the highest levels of political leadership.”
  • We are one body and, therefore, “we reject misogyny, the mistreatment, violent abuse, sexual harassment, and assault of women that has been further revealed in our culture and politics, including our churches, and the oppression of any other child of God.”
  • “How we treat the hungry, the thirsty, the naked, the stranger, the sick, and the prisoner is how we treat Christ himself,” and, therefore, “we reject the language and policies of political leaders who would debase and abandon the most vulnerable children of God.”
  • “Truth is morally central to our personal and public lives,” and, therefore, “we reject the practice and pattern of lying that is invading our political and civil life.”
  • Christ’s way of leadership is servanthood, not domination, and, therefore, “we reject any moves toward autocratic political leadership and authoritarian rule. … They raise deeper concerns about political idolatry, accompanied by false and unconstitutional notions of authority.”
  • Jesus “tells us to go into all nations making disciples,” and, therefore, “we reject ‘America first’ as a theological heresy for followers of Christ.”

The statement says in its conclusion that “our urgent need, in a time of moral and political crisis, is to recover the power of confessing our faith. Lament, repent, and then repair.”

The Rev. Jim Wallis, founder of Sojourners, and Curry began talking earlier this year about the need for such a statement. The signers agreed to the wording of the statement at an Ash Wednesday retreat that Curry hosted at the Episcopal Church Center in New York.

“I joined with other Christian church leaders on this confession of what faith in times like these require,” Curry said March 22 in a statement to Episcopal News Service. “When faced with social issues, our Church has not been silent and we will continue to strive for justice and peace. Our role is one of moral leadership for our nation, for our church, for ourselves.”

The “Reclaiming Jesus” message, Wallis said in a March 22 commentary on the Sojourners website, needed to be “something that would be much more than just another statement to sign and then file away.

“Rather, with a shared humble spirit, we felt called to act as elders for a time such as this and to commend our message to the churches for a process of prayer, study, reflection, and action.”

Wallis called his commentary “Reclaiming Jesus: How Confessing Faith Can Respond to a Moral and Constitutional Crisis.”

The signers have set up a website, Reclaiming Jesus, where the statement and a one-page summary can be downloaded. There is also due to be a collection of resources in addition to a five-week “civil discourse curriculum” that already has been released.

The signers currently include:

  • Bishop Carroll A. Baltimore, President and CEO, Global Alliance Interfaith Networks
  • Rev. Dr. Peter Borgdorff, Executive Director Emeritus, Christian Reformed Church in North America
  • Dr. Amos Brown, Chair, Social Justice Commission, National Baptist Convention USA, Inc.
  • Rev. Dr. Walter Brueggemann, Professor Emeritus, Columbia Theological Seminary
  • Dr. Tony Campolo, Co-Founder, Red Letter Christians
  • Dr. Iva Carruthers, General Secretary, Samuel DeWitt Proctor Conference
  • The Most Rev. Michael B. Curry, Presiding Bishop and Primate, The Episcopal Church
  • Rev. Dr. James Forbes, President and Founder, Healing the Nations Foundation and Preaching Professor at Union Theological Seminary
  • Rev. Wesley Granberg-Michaelson, General Secretary Emeritus, Reformed Church in America
  • Rev. Dr. Cynthia Hale, Senior Pastor, Ray of Hope Christian Church, Decatur, GA
  • Rev. Dr. Richard Hamm, former General Minister and President of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
  • Rev. Dr. Joel C. Hunter, Faith Community Organizer and Chairman, Community Resource Network
  • Rev. Dr. Jo Anne Lyon, General Superintendent Emerita, The Wesleyan Church
  • Bishop Vashti McKenzie, 117th Elected and Consecrated Bishop, AME Church
  • Rev. Dr. Otis Moss, Jr., Co-Convener National African American Clergy Network
  • Dr. John Perkins, Chair Emeritus and Founding Member, Christian Community Development Association
  • Bishop Lawrence Reddick, CEO, Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
  • Fr. Richard Rohr, Founder, Center for Action and Contemplation
  • Dr. Ron Sider, President Emeritus, Evangelicals for Social Action
  • Rev. Jim Wallis, President and Founder, Sojourners
  • Rev. Dr. Sharon Watkins, Director, NCC Truth and Racial Justice Initiative
  • Dr. Barbara Williams-Skinner, Co-Convener, National African American Clergy Network; President, Skinner Leadership Institute
  • Bishop Will Willimon, Bishop, The United Methodist Church, retired, Professor of the Practice of Ministry, Duke Divinity School

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Comments (172)

  1. Terry Francis says:

    Gordon Fuglie I don’t see any love or wisdom of Jesus in your post either. Just the usual left wing hate mongering.

    1. Gordon Fuglie says:

      Channeling Limbaugh, Terry Francis? The “usual left wing hate mongering” is the tiredest and most thoughtless of insults from the pseudo-christian white right wing. Jesus had harsh words for for these kinds of hypocrites, and “I follow in His train.” I am learning to love God’s and my enemies, though. Hard work for you, too, right?

  2. PJ Cabbiness says:

    An earlier post by a contributor to this “conversation” stated that abortion was not addressed in Scripture. It was, in fact, dealt with very early on. Thou shalt not kill (murder).

    1. Gordon Fuglie says:

      P J Cabbiness falsely states that the decalogue prohibits abortion. This is untrue. The Hebrew Scriptures address killing as against a living and breathing human being living in this world, not in the womb. This is elaborated on in the Old Testament when it comes legal punishment for circumstances that constitute murder. And in the case of a miscarriage caused by a fight between 2 people and a pregnant women finds herself “in the middle of it,” she is entitled to monetary compensation if she miscarries. The fighters are not subject to the punishment by death (eye for an eye; life for a life). Her compensation is akin to one for the loss of property, not the willful killing of a living and breathing human being.

  3. Donny Armstrong says:

    Conservatives need not apply to the Episcopal faith anymore. When did the church start sticking its nose in state affairs. You cry for separation of church and state when convenient, like taxes. these so called statements are straight from the liberal handbook and you want to include all? the Episcopal Church just turned its nose up to the Deplorables in this and all nations. I believe Jesus would act differently as I will.

    1. Gordon Fuglie says:

      Donny, we are called first to be faithful disciples of Jesus, and Presiding Bishop Curry has said this over and over, again. We are NOT called to be liberal, conservative, environmentalist, pro-business, etc. etc. and then add a smidgeon of “OUR version of Jesus” to the mix. Jesus is Lord first and above all. After faithfully obeying him, THAT will determine the KIND of conservatism or liberalism (or blend thereof) we manifest in our lives, i.e. a Christ-centered conservatism or liberalism.

  4. mike geibel says:

    What is wrong with us Christians? Why are we so intolerant of each other that we must call each other vile names or use other hateful attacks rather than trying to understand each other? If we are animated more by hate than our love for God and one another, then are we not equally as sinful as those whom we vilify?

    On April 14, Bishop Daniel Jenky of Peoria, Illinois gave a sermon in which he compared the president of the United States to Hitler and Stalin. The year was 2012, and the President was Barak Obama. The good Bishop was opposed to abortion and the contraceptive regulations imposed through the Department of Health and Human Services. His sermon was a reflection on his own strong religious beliefs which gave rise to uncompromising political beliefs, but when we political beliefs to control our speech, we can quickly degenerate into hateful name calling.

    There is rancor and enmity in every political and religious conversation. With unwavering confidence that our chosen ideology is unassailably correct in the eyes of God, we have replaced Christ’s message of love and reconciliation with a mindset that tolerates no debate. The need for reconciliation is certainly as urgent as any time in our history. Our positions, whether left or right, are strongly held and are moral and just—in our own eyes. Those who cannot accept our conclusions are branded as pseudo-Christian, wrongheaded, ignorant, and even evil. Democrat and Republican, liberal and conservative, we take turns denouncing the other for not accepting our point of view, but each of us is fallible and each of us is merely trying to act on their moral beliefs of right and wrong.

    May I offer my simple prayer:

    “Grant that we may follow Christ’s way of compassion and understanding for each other, not as a compromise for the sake of peace, but in a unified quest for divine guidance. Please heal the wounds we have inflicted on each other and help focus our efforts on reconciliation and finding common ground on the issues that divide us. God, please save us from ourselves.” AMEN

  5. Gordon Fuglie says:

    I agree with Mike Geibel and commend him for his prayer of reconciliation. And for those on this thread who have been trashing the Episcopal Church, please know that reconciliation of humankind to each other and Christ is a cornerstone of Anglican faith, found in our catechism at the back of the Book of Common Prayer.

    But here in our day is where this breaks down: A minority of thoughtful and principled Evangelicals are in increasing numbers speaking up in prophetic terms against the corruption of their Christian tradition by those leaders and in the laity who have made a devil’s bargain with Trumpism. These prophetic Evangelicals are calling for REPENTANCE among their conservative community and rightly so.

    As a prominent example, an anti-abortion stance cannot be justified by referring to Scripture, because it cannot be found in Scripture. But anti-abortion Evangelicals stretch the fabric of Scripture to claim Exodus 20:13 – the prohibition against murder – can be applied here. Close study of the Old Testament shows it cannot. But many Evangelicals go ahead and assert it as a cornerstone of Christianity anyway. This is a form of heresy and those of us who recognize it as such will not be reconciled to this position (which also is a modern development). On other Christian essentials, I do place my hope on reconciliation with Evangelicals, but not where there is a false premise to begin with.

  6. F William Thewalt says:

    I don’t go to church to be told how to vote or how to feel on social issues. The church is making the tent smaller each time it tries to shape our politics. Get over it. You lost an election so stop resisting.

  7. Donald Caron says:

    Do any of us go to church to listen to the word of God in the scriptures, to embrace the self-sacrifice of Jesus in the Eucharist and to be instructed in how the message and the model we celebrate can become the model for our lives? Do we open ourselves to the notion that there might be a vision that Jesus called the Kingdom of God in which all persons are cherished? Do we understand– as the Roman and Temple authorities clearly did–that this vision has political implications and might actually come with a cost to us? Can we entertain the possibility that the abundance, the power, the greatness of the United States comes both with great promise for freedom and great reliance on the domination of others, including some who are citizens and some who are not? Can we claim that our love for the nation of our birth compels us to continually seek ways in which this nation can become “a more perfect union” and to have the optimism that this kind of transformation is possible? And can we somehow bring together God’s vision for the world and our aspirations for the world in which our nation is the foremost power?

    1. Gordon Fuglie says:

      Donald Caron, in this Holy Week, thank you for asking all the right questions of Americans of faith.

  8. Ted Gemberling says:

    Yes, Donald Caron’s statement is wonderful. I also appreciate Mike Geibel’s conciliatory message.

  9. Ted Gemberling says:

    It grieves me that Donald Heacock’s postings were written in such an agitated state of mind.

  10. Donald R Caron says:

    Donny, I have searched the Reclaim Jesus manifesto, attempting to discover the name of any public figure, especially one being villified, but in vain. The leap to suggesting that this document is Trump-hating comes from Trump supporters who seem to find his profile in phrases like white nationalism, sexual harassment , pattern of lying, etc., and jump to the conclusion that the condemnation of these behaviors must mean our President. This is a conclusion that his supporters have reached, while the document would hold all of us who act in these ways, or who by our silence fail to condemn and seek an end to these ways of treating one another as answerable to God’s judgment.
    May I plead with all those who have strong feelings on this initiative to direct our attention to what it actually says and judge whether the world might be a better place if we actually rejected those ways of acting, speaking and thinking that the proposal rejects and embraced the values of affirms.

    1. Gordon Fuglie says:

      And, adding weight to Donald Caron’s careful research of the church leaders’ document, and his plea for us to reject “white nationalism, sexual harassment , patterns of lying” and other disordered behaviors —- Jesus’s sacrificial love for all of us posting on this page COMMANDS us to do so. And all the more in Holy Week.

  11. Terry Francis says:

    Gordon Fuglie, you are the last person on the planet to lecture to me about hypocrisy or to anyone else about hate.Describing you as a left wing hate monger may be tiresome but then so is your rhetoric. Your opinions are not clever, or insightful, even though I’m sure you think they are, just insulting, condescending and judgemental toward those who disagree with you. Channeling Limbaugh? No Mr Fuglie, I’m channeling common sense and civility, two attributes that you sorely lack. By the way, not that you care, I happen to be black so enough of the pseudo-christian white right wing nonsense.

  12. Gordon Fuglie says:

    Self-justification seems to be your preferred mode of engagement, Terry Francis. And, obviously on a discussion board it is hard to know the race of one’s interlocutors. Please don’t deflect from this discussion stream on reclaiming Jesus in our divisive culture by announcing your blackness.

    That being said, I have been tracking the support for Trump in America for over a year. White right wing evangelicals have persisted in their tortured justifications of our incompetent and divisive president. They remain his most loyal core of support. If calling out their unjustifiable contradictions makes you think I am “condescending and judgmental,” so be it. And in the face of Trump’s stream of lies and divisive behavior, I become “uncivil,” well, so were the prophets in comparable circumstances.

  13. mike geibel says:

    To Terry Francis:
    Happy Easter my friend, and Peace be with you.

    mike

  14. Terry Francis says:

    Thank you Mike. I wish you the same.

  15. mike geibel says:

    To Ted Gemberling, F William Thewalt, Donald Caron, Donny Armstrong, PJ Cabbiness, Donald Heacock, Bill Louis, Karen Birr, and to Andrew Poland, and to all those of every political viewpoint:

    Christ is risen. Happy Easter my fellow Christians, and may the Peace of the Lord be with you always.

    mike

  16. Ted Gemberling says:

    I wanted to make one more response to Donald Heacock’s posts. I realize this is getting into the psychologizing Mike Geibel discouraged. But why did people support Trump in 2016? I would argue because, on some level, they didn’t believe “principles” could be trusted anymore. “Principles” were just a way for elites to fool honest, hardworking citizens like Donald. As Mike also said, the Republican leadership had become “weak.” Establishment Republicans like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio couldn’t be trusted. What party members (and some Democrats and independents) preferred was a tough reality TV host who would fight for their interests and oppose “political correctness.”

    I’m sure there is some legitimate grievance there. While I supported Clinton, I now believe that was a mistake. Democrats should have nominated Bernie. We needed somebody who could inspire people, not somebody with the most highly developed policy proposals. The most inspiring thing to me was when Sanders spoke at Liberty University, founded by Jerry Falwell. I believe Clinton thought that sort of thing was a waste of time. I imagine she might have said Liberty was a bastion of “deplorables.” Sanders thought it was worthwhile to talk to them.

    Having said these things, I will turn away from politics as Mike and Donald Caron have recommended and put my focus back on Christ this holy week.

    1. Donald Heacock says:

      Re Ted Gemberling. He is closer to my feelings than most. I was born & raised in rural Kansas. I was raised in a “free church “. I left that church in 1963 to become a priest of ECUSA. I left because I believed in The Historic Episcopacsy. There were about 3,000,000 members. Today we have about 1, 700,000. That loss is exactly correlated to the churches tilt to the left. This PB is especially deceptive. He knows the Jesus Movement died in 70AD. He further knows that the concensus of main stream scholarship is that we cannot know what Jesus belived. In fact the Jesus Movement in 70 AD was very close.to crushing Paul’s
      . Inclusive movement of the.Resurrected Christ. I can’t read the.PB’s mind but his Jesus Movement looks very much like a wing.of the.Democratic Party

      1. Gordon Fuglie says:

        Donald, Presiding Bishop Curry has numerous You Tube videos available on the net in addition to the Episcopal News. Curry is conducting religious revivals around the country. There is a social justice component but that is not the center of his Jesus Movement. The JM is about renewed discipleship in our churches.

        As for membership decline, all mainline denominations are experiencing that, as are some Catholic and Orthodox churches. This is due to the corrosion of secularism more than anything else. One point I would agree with you on is that **SOME** ECUSA congregations are too leftist, but that is not the main problem.

        Trumpist-infused Evangelicalism is far worse, as the Gospel has been diminished to be replaced by anti-abortion, nationalism, anti-gay activism — and in a few cases, sanctifying the 2nd Amendment. All are heresies.

        The big picture: all of Christianity is going through a shake-up right now, with old forms dying away and new experiments being tried. I entrust our times to God’s will. I am preaching at tonight’s Tenebrae service. Pray for me, please.

  17. Donald Caron says:

    Donald Heacock: Can you point me to some good source where I can learn more about ” the Jesus Movement in 70 AD was very close.to crushing Paul’s Inclusive movement of the.Resurrected Christ.” ? Are you referring to the so-called Council of Jerusalem?

  18. Mike Newton-Ward says:

    Thank you and amen.

  19. Stephen Lovell says:

    Andrew Poland – this does not point the church in a particular political direction. Unless you believe that the elements of sexism, racism, homophobia, xenophobia, elitism and general overall dishonesty are part and parcel of the Christian gospel. If you don’t, and you shouldn’t, then you should be good. What this article is trying to point out are these elements exist in our political climate and try to stop, or at least protest, the attempt of putting a face of Jesus on these negative elements. The Jesus of the gospel, and the church you grew up in, and hopefully the church you currently attend, would have nothing to do with these elements, be they from a conservative or a liberal. They are not a part of the Christian gospel. And no Christian should try to make them so or make allowances for them because of politics.

  20. mike geibel says:

    The Proclamation does not need to state President Trump by name—we know who is the target of the denouncement of “America First,” and the target of the “immoral” label attached to tax reform. The “WE REJECT” portions of the Proclamation are a form of “calling out” because an individual, Trump, is the obvious target. I would have wished the authors had used “WE PRAY AND ENCOURAGE . . . ” This tendency to “call-out” others who disagree with us is also evident in a few of the comments to this thread.

    In this Easter week, I believe we need to dial down the temperature on our rhetoric and to consciously work towards reconciliation by seeking to understand each other and to avoid lecturing or criticisms of the opinions of others whose politics may be different than our own.

  21. Ted Gemberling says:

    Mike, I’m pretty sure if the statement had said “we pray and encourage” you would have said it was a criticism of Trump, too. Jesus encouraged us to “read the signs of the times” (Matt. 16:3). We now have a president who has a close alliance with a supermarket tabloid magnate. Several people have said the churches that sign onto this statement should lose their tax exemption. I, for one, would be happy to lose it if that is the price of standing against evil.

  22. Donald Caron says:

    Mike, once again I challenge. It can only be because you identify those behaviors with Donald Trunp that you can say he is being named. I find the behaviors that are condemned by the document to be contrary to the message and example of Jesus, no matter who is doing it. But I must admit that I am disappointed that our President behaves as he does and by his words and by his silence encourages those behaviors. Jesus names evil behaviors, but continues to love the perpetrators, including the soldiers who drove nails into his hands and feet. He and his followers believe in the possibility of turning one’s life around.

  23. Gordon Fuglie says:

    Excuse me, but the elephant in the room of this conversation are the sinful attitudes of Trump supporters – the hardcore 30+ percent who refuse to believe accurate journalistic research that reveals his un-Christian and otherwise bad behavior. They project onto Trump a weird nationalist heroism and swat away all credible reportage that they either wish to ignore or deny as “fake news.”

    Trump supporters also are reckless. The US was and is being attacked by Russian intelligence agencies. They claim this isn’t important or is untrue. I am aghast at this irresponsible behavior.

    Trump’s supporters cheer on his divisive, violent and demagogic rhetoric.

    In conclusion, these are not simply a group of Americans who “happen to hold differing opinions from my own.” They have disordered affections and political desires, as well as a disregard for the truth. In such a situation, there can be no middle ground between those who believe in political norms and those who want to overturn them. Hence, our need to become reconcilers and advocates for the truth, per the statement to “reclaim Jesus in American culture.”. When Trump’s base see Trump’s divisiveness and lies for what they are, his supporters are welcome to join us in reconciliation.

    1. Donald Heacock says:

      Tomorrow we.will celebrate Christ the risen savior. Thank God it has nothing to do with my politics. It has nothing to do with yours. I believe it now obviously that the highest reaches of our.Federal government made every effort to prevent Donald Trump from being President of the USA. It is now clear reached the President of the USA Barack Obama. FISA warrants we issue that allowed the.Government to spy on the Trump campaign. All you are doing is convincing us that the Christ you want introduced is the Antichrist himself. All you are doing is proving why the Church you worship in is a political organization & needs to pay taxes

      1. Gordon Fuglie says:

        Followers of this thread: please, PLEASE, read very carefully Donald Heacock’s preceding response to me. Note his advancing of conspiracy theories, far right talking points, and poor sentence structure which may likely indicate an inability to form coherent thoughts. As I earlier mentioned, dialogue is not possible with such people. They deserve our pity, though given the damage they can do to our country, PITY may be hard to muster on some occasions.

  24. mike geibel says:

    I do not believe that “call outs” of individuals or groups, such as insults that attack the character or faith of another, denigrating Trump or his supporters, or the criticisms of evangelical churches, are in line with Christ’s teachings.

    The “Call-Out Culture” is a term that refers to the tendency to publicly vilify others for perceived wrongful thoughts or political positions. Political figures like President Trump are chief offenders, but we all can be offenders as well. The practice is recognizable when the author resorts to identity boxes for people who disagree with his or her opinions, labels laws which he finds disagreeable as heresy, or worse yet, uses name-calling (such as sexist, xenophobic, traitor, heretic, etc.) Call-outs enable the author to use references to scripture in the abstract or to the author’s titles and position in order to give their opinions greater provenance.

    What makes the internet chatroom call-out particularly toxic is that it is not a private interaction between two individuals, where they actually have a civil discourse: it is a public performance where people can demonstrate their wittiness, their presumed superior knowledge, and the purity of their own faith and politics, and then humiliate or denigrate those who may disagree with their opinion. “I’m a Bishop, or I am a minister, I have a college degree, or I am good Christian,” so if you do not agree with my opinion, then you are not a good Christian and you need to re-read the New Testament. The act of calling out becomes an end in itself, which means the performance is more satisfying than the content, which, after all, is not designed to “teach” or to change anyone’s mind, but is to satisfy the ego of the author. When talking to a computer screen, it is easy to forget that the individuals or group we are calling out are human beings, and that different people live in different regions, social environments, economic levels, have different life experiences, different levels of education, but all have human feelings.

    Sadly, the author often says things that makes himself or herself look judgmental, self-righteous, and mean, when in actuality, the author is probably a decent and faithful follower of Christ. This is indeed unfortunate, since some of the denigrating retorts I’ve read in this comment section have contained nuggets of wisdom, but these nuggets became lost in the septic backwash of the attack on the person or group vilified.

    The call-out does not teach or change minds, but produces anger and disharmony. I have friends who are liberal, conservative and Episcopalian, and they are all good Christians. I have friends who belong to evangelical churches, and they are all good Christians. I have friends and partners who are Jewish, and they are all good people—some of the most generous to the needy that I know. Many like myself who have left the Episcopal Church have done so because of its politicking and the denouncement of anything Republican or conservative. I do not accept the claim the tax reform bill was “immoral.” When ICE targets rapists and murders who are illegal aliens, I do not agree that enforcement of our immigration laws constitutes “growing attacks on immigrants and refugees.” I do not accept the claim that “America first” is “theological heresy for followers of Christ” and will not support or attend any Church which believes it is “heresy” to use tax revenue from its citizens to promote jobs and industry for its citizens “first.”

    If you believe differently, that is your right. Others have the right to disagree without being insulted or denigrated. Rather than insult, we need to try to understand each other.

    None of us are infallible. I have been guilty of this call-out offense, and I am trying to do better. To all whom I offend, I ask forgiveness.

  25. Ted Gemberling says:

    Mike,
    You make some good points, but the problem I see is you don’t seem to want to accept the gravity of our situation. This is not a conspiracy to destroy the Republican Party and hard-working Americans. Democracy is under assault all over the world. Take a look at this article:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/world/europe/viktor-orban-hungary.html

    Notice that Orban has set up Hungarian-American George Soros as the big villain. What is he guilty of? Basically he’s a person who supports an open society, where people can dialog freely and learn from each other.

    Here’s another article, a survey of governments around the world, linked to from that one:

    https://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/en/topics/aktuelle-meldungen/2018/maerz/democracy-under-pressure-polarization-and-repression-are-increasing-worldwide/

    Here’s an excerpt: “From our point of view, a major reason for the poor results is that many governments are not capable or inclined to react to social conflicts by engaging in dialog and seeking a consensus. Governments’ willingness to defuse conflicts has decreased in 58 countries since 2006, according to the index. Once elected, many rulers curtail political liberties and rights in order to expand their political power.”

    The article was put out by a German organization. The Germans know what autocracy means: they experienced it first hand under Hitler and learned their lessons.

    Now, let me say, even though I disagree with his politics, that John McCain is a hero to me. He speaks for civility and understanding. I remember he stopped and corrected someone in an audience in 2008 when the person besmirched Obama’s character. I am not going to say McCain has to agree with my political priorities. The important thing is a willingness to listen to each other and tell the truth.

    Donald Heacock, I am disturbed that you buy into those conspiracy theories. Gordon may be right that you are not thinking coherently. Didn’t it bother you in 2016 when Donald Trump said John McCain wasn’t a hero because, “I like people who don’t get captured”? That’s a cartoon vision of war. I’m sure no one could’ve gotten away with saying something like that in the 60’s when a larger part of the male citizenry had actually served in a war. Now that we have an all volunteer army, fewer people have a realistic idea of what war is really like. I’ll admit I have not served myself, but I can’t buy into cartoonish visions of war.

    So what does this have to do with Christ? As I said, he wants us to read the signs of the times. This is a dangerous time.

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